When Jokim is asked his opinion, he insists: “You shouldn’t come to me with the term bucket list. It’s really a great theatrical reality for a movie and it would surely be a great movie, but if I heard you were going to die, then it’s not: Damn it, I wanted to bungee jump over the volcano.” .”

He continues, “That’s when you think: One, damn, why did I work so hard, two, if I’d spent more time with my family and three, why would I have that friend who’s always been a fool for so long. A friend? Those are the things you think.”

Yolanthe, who plays the main role in the film, does not fully agree: “Well, this is very personal because I talked to a lot of people, because I did research before I played that role. And also the director’s mother, Aram van de Rest, died of cancer and we also have a lot of information and input from it.”

Jokim understands what Yolanth is saying and explains further: “We think to ourselves, if you check that list, you might die. But that’s of course nonsense. (…) a dog comes walking towards you, and that’s when you wag your tail, never say #bucketlist, in While it makes you so happy.”

Conversation between Jochem and Yolanthe at in 1 He is Here to see again.

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